Discussion:
SeaMonkey crashes on startup
David E. Ross
2016-02-21 22:13:08 UTC
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SeaMonkey crashes for me as soon as I try to start it. It had been running
fine until about a week ago. As best I can remember, I shut the computer off
one night and the next morning SeaMonkey crashed on start up.
I am using SM 2.39, Windows 10.
I downloaded a fresh version of SeaMonkey, I also downloaded the latest Java
to be sure.
Everything else is working fine, including Firefox.
Any suggestions?
Phil Fry
I would suggest you try upgrading to 2.41
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.4.1
2.4.1 is five years obsolete. 2.41 is not yet available. The latest
version is 2.39.
--
David E. Ross

While many tributes to the late Supreme Court Associate Justice
Antonin Scalia now fill the news media, his legacy was not
necessarily positive. See my "What Price Order, Mr. Justice Scalia?"
at <http://www.rossde.com/editorials/edtl_scalia_wrong.html>.
Phil Fry
2016-02-21 22:13:35 UTC
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I haven't done this before, not sure what you wanted.

I selected seamonkey-2.41.en-US.win32.installer.exe
<https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/%7Eakalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-release-windows32/seamonkey-2.41.en-US.win32.installer.exe>,
downloaded it and ran it. I tried a few things and it seemed to work
fine. I had turned off all my add-ons, then added two back, so I did
not check SM 2.41 with all the add-ons I was using. I can do that if
that was your interest.

Phil Fry
On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 15:38:37 -0500, "Jonathan N. Little"
SeaMonkey crashes for me as soon as I try to start it. It had been
running fine until about a week ago. As best I can remember, I shut the
computer off one night and the next morning SeaMonkey crashed on start up.
I am using SM 2.39, Windows 10.
I downloaded a fresh version of SeaMonkey, I also downloaded the latest
Java to be sure.
Everything else is working fine, including Firefox.
Any suggestions?
Phil Fry
Have you tried launching SeaMonkey in safe mode?
Seamonkey.exe -safe-mode
If it works then you may have a bad extension or plugin. If not then run
profile manager and see if it works if you create new test profile.
Seamonkey.exe -profilemanager or Seamonkey.exe -P
If it works in the new profile then you may have something corrupted on
disk in your profile.
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David E. Ross
2016-02-21 22:22:00 UTC
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SeaMonkey crashes for me as soon as I try to start it. It had been
running fine until about a week ago. As best I can remember, I shut the
computer off one night and the next morning SeaMonkey crashed on start up.
I am using SM 2.39, Windows 10.
I downloaded a fresh version of SeaMonkey, I also downloaded the latest
Java to be sure.
Everything else is working fine, including Firefox.
Any suggestions?
Phil Fry
https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-release-windows32/
The link itself indicates that is a "nightly". I have accumulated the
following from various newsgroup posts and Mozilla Web pages. Note that
what was called "Alpha" (a term used several times below) is now called
"Aurora". Also note that "nightlies" are at a development stage even
earlier -- likely more buggy -- than Auroras.

---------------------

Nightly Builds

Created most weekdays from the previous day's work, these builds may or
may not work. Use them to verify that a bug you're tracking has been fixed.

We make nightly builds for testing only. We write code and post the
results right away so people like you can join our testing process and
report bugs. You will find bugs, and lots of them. Mozilla might crash
on startup. It might delete all your files and cause your computer to
burst into flames. Don't bother downloading nightly builds if you're
unwilling to put up with problems.

------------------------------

Keep in mind that nightly builds, which are used by
Mozilla.org developers for testing, may be buggy.

------------------------------

General Release Information

Each Mozilla release is broken up into three parts, an alpha cycles, a
beta cycle, and a final cycle. Alpha development focuses on feature
work. Beta development focuses on cleanup and general bug fixing. The
final cycle is limited to very low-risk changes and fixes for more
severe bugs and regressions missed during alpha and beta.

------------------------------

I just checked in a patch to change the uuid. unfortunately alpha3 was
released with the old UUID, but ah well, it's only an alpha.

------------------------------

Alphas are intended for internal dissemination and won't reach beta
stage until they are ready for general public testing. The fact that the
public can obtain (and use) the alphas doesn't really change this.
--
David E. Ross

While many tributes to the late Supreme Court Associate Justice
Antonin Scalia now fill the news media, his legacy was not
necessarily positive. See my "What Price Order, Mr. Justice Scalia?"
at <http://www.rossde.com/editorials/edtl_scalia_wrong.html>.
Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP)
2016-02-22 01:46:29 UTC
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On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 14:22:00 -0800, "David E. Ross"
Post by David E. Ross
SeaMonkey crashes for me as soon as I try to start it. It had been
running fine until about a week ago. As best I can remember, I shut the
computer off one night and the next morning SeaMonkey crashed on start up.
I am using SM 2.39, Windows 10.
I downloaded a fresh version of SeaMonkey, I also downloaded the latest
Java to be sure.
Everything else is working fine, including Firefox.
Any suggestions?
Phil Fry
https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-release-windows32/
The link itself indicates that is a "nightly". I have accumulated the
following from various newsgroup posts and Mozilla Web pages. Note that
what was called "Alpha" (a term used several times below) is now called
"Aurora". Also note that "nightlies" are at a development stage even
earlier -- likely more buggy -- than Auroras.
---------------------
Nightly Builds
Created most weekdays from the previous day's work, these builds may or
may not work. Use them to verify that a bug you're tracking has been fixed.
We make nightly builds for testing only. We write code and post the
results right away so people like you can join our testing process and
report bugs. You will find bugs, and lots of them. Mozilla might crash
on startup. It might delete all your files and cause your computer to
burst into flames. Don't bother downloading nightly builds if you're
unwilling to put up with problems.
------------------------------
Keep in mind that nightly builds, which are used by
Mozilla.org developers for testing, may be buggy.
------------------------------
General Release Information
Each Mozilla release is broken up into three parts, an alpha cycles, a
beta cycle, and a final cycle. Alpha development focuses on feature
work. Beta development focuses on cleanup and general bug fixing. The
final cycle is limited to very low-risk changes and fixes for more
severe bugs and regressions missed during alpha and beta.
------------------------------
I just checked in a patch to change the uuid. unfortunately alpha3 was
released with the old UUID, but ah well, it's only an alpha.
------------------------------
Alphas are intended for internal dissemination and won't reach beta
stage until they are ready for general public testing. The fact that the
public can obtain (and use) the alphas doesn't really change this.
That directory structure and naming convention was just so they could
*build* it again on a machine. It just retains the same build
directory structure as used to be on the main Moz servers except this
build is being done on a small loaner computer and being build by
hand. There's nothing unstable or aurora about it.

The *real* Aurora's exist here:
https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-aurora-windows32/

Again, nightly on this particular server means nothing since they are
not in fact being built nightly.
Keith Thompson
2016-02-21 22:40:48 UTC
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On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 17:01:42 -0500, "Jonathan N. Little"
https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-release-windows32/
To be frank if you are looking for stability O would stick with the
final releases and not the nightlies.
It's not a nightly and far from beta or alpha. It's a build being
built on a loaner machine by EWong et al. Runs stable for me.
And for me.
Phil Fry
2016-02-21 19:27:28 UTC
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SeaMonkey crashes for me as soon as I try to start it. It had been
running fine until about a week ago. As best I can remember, I shut the
computer off one night and the next morning SeaMonkey crashed on start up.

I am using SM 2.39, Windows 10.

I downloaded a fresh version of SeaMonkey, I also downloaded the latest
Java to be sure.

Everything else is working fine, including Firefox.

Any suggestions?

Phil Fry
Frank-Rainer Grahl
2016-02-21 20:40:37 UTC
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Keith,

that is 2.4.1 not 2.41. This would be a massive downgrade. 2.41 has not been
released yet.
SeaMonkey crashes for me as soon as I try to start it. It had been running
fine until about a week ago. As best I can remember, I shut the computer off
one night and the next morning SeaMonkey crashed on start up.
I am using SM 2.39, Windows 10.
I downloaded a fresh version of SeaMonkey, I also downloaded the latest Java
to be sure.
Everything else is working fine, including Firefox.
Any suggestions?
Phil Fry
I would suggest you try upgrading to 2.41
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.4.1
Regards
Frank-Rainer Grahl
Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP)
2016-02-22 01:43:15 UTC
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Post by Phil Fry
I haven't done this before, not sure what you wanted.
I selected seamonkey-2.41.en-US.win32.installer.exe
<https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/%7Eakalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-release-windows32/seamonkey-2.41.en-US.win32.installer.exe>,
downloaded it and ran it. I tried a few things and it seemed to work
fine. I had turned off all my add-ons, then added two back, so I did
not check SM 2.41 with all the add-ons I was using. I can do that if
that was your interest.
Phil Fry
Mainly to see if things improved. 2.39 is based on an older version of
Firefox whereas SM 2.41 is based on Firefox 44.0 and current.
EE
2016-02-22 18:13:32 UTC
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Post by Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP)
Post by Phil Fry
I haven't done this before, not sure what you wanted.
I selected seamonkey-2.41.en-US.win32.installer.exe
<https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/%7Eakalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-release-windows32/seamonkey-2.41.en-US.win32.installer.exe>,
downloaded it and ran it. I tried a few things and it seemed to work
fine. I had turned off all my add-ons, then added two back, so I did
not check SM 2.41 with all the add-ons I was using. I can do that if
that was your interest.
Phil Fry
Mainly to see if things improved. 2.39 is based on an older version of
Firefox whereas SM 2.41 is based on Firefox 44.0 and current.
I am curious to know whether SM 2.41 has the same bug in the File
Bookmark dialog box as SM 2.40, in that it will not lengthen if you try
to pull down the folder list?
Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP)
2016-02-23 18:36:07 UTC
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Post by EE
Post by Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP)
Post by Phil Fry
I haven't done this before, not sure what you wanted.
I selected seamonkey-2.41.en-US.win32.installer.exe
<https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/%7Eakalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-release-windows32/seamonkey-2.41.en-US.win32.installer.exe>,
downloaded it and ran it. I tried a few things and it seemed to work
fine. I had turned off all my add-ons, then added two back, so I did
not check SM 2.41 with all the add-ons I was using. I can do that if
that was your interest.
Phil Fry
Mainly to see if things improved. 2.39 is based on an older version of
Firefox whereas SM 2.41 is based on Firefox 44.0 and current.
I am curious to know whether SM 2.41 has the same bug in the File
Bookmark dialog box as SM 2.40, in that it will not lengthen if you try
to pull down the folder list?
Only one way to find out.
EE
2016-02-22 18:09:38 UTC
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SeaMonkey crashes for me as soon as I try to start it. It had been
running
fine until about a week ago. As best I can remember, I shut the
computer off
one night and the next morning SeaMonkey crashed on start up.
I am using SM 2.39, Windows 10.
I downloaded a fresh version of SeaMonkey, I also downloaded the
latest Java
to be sure.
Everything else is working fine, including Firefox.
Any suggestions?
Phil Fry
I would suggest you try upgrading to 2.41
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.4.1
2.4.1 is not the same as 2.41. Version 2.4.1 is a very old version.
NFN Smith
2016-02-23 19:01:17 UTC
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Post by Phil Fry
I haven't done this before, not sure what you wanted.
I selected seamonkey-2.41.en-US.win32.installer.exe
<https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/%7Eakalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-release-windows32/seamonkey-2.41.en-US.win32.installer.exe>,
downloaded it and ran it. I tried a few things and it seemed to work
fine. I had turned off all my add-ons, then added two back, so I did
not check SM 2.41 with all the add-ons I was using. I can do that if
that was your interest.
I see you thrashing around with trying to install 2.41, but I'm not
convinced that your problem is really related to versions.

Further up in the thread, I see a suggestion that you try running in
Safe Mode, but I don't see any evidence that you've given that a try.
(Besides the suggested way of launching with a command-line parameter,
you can also get to Safe Mode with Help -> Restart with Add-Ons Disabled...

I'm inclined to believe that there's something in your profile that may
be giving you problems, and that while your problems may have surfaced
with 2.39, that they really aren't specific to 2.39, but that 2.39 is
merely the symptom

With Safe Mode, not only does that temporarily disable any extensions,
but it also resets your user prefs to default settings. And I've seen
it happen once or twice, where a one-time restart in Safe Mode is enough
to clear odd things that are coming from your profile.

You may also want to consider using the profile manager to create a new
profile -- that will get *everything* back to default settings.

Personally, besides my normal working profile, I keep a separate profile
that I call "bare metal", where nearly everything in that profile is
defaults. Thus, if my regular profile isn't behaving, I can switch over
to the Bare Metal profile, to verify whether the problem is something
that's generic to Seamonkey, or if it's something in my profile. There
might be one or two exceptions, but the only time I can think of that
the Bare Metal profile didn't work for me was years ago, before the
normal Seamonkey User Agent string was not set to spoof Firefox.

I should note that I just rebuilt my Seamonkey profile -- the one I have
been using is *very* old, dating back early releases of Seamonkey 1.x,
if not to the old Mozilla suite, or even derived from a Netscape
installation. The old profile had a lot of years of accumulated cruft in
it. Following a rebuild (the browser part was easy, although it took me
longer to redo the Mail/News client), I find that Seamonkey runs
noticeably (although not dramatically) faster, and I have far less
frequency of temporary lock-ups (e.g., dark screen, and spinning wait
cursor) and browser crashes. There's still a couple of small things that
I haven't resolved (saving search results as virtual folders, and one
web site that complains about not seeing Firefox, even if that site
responds correctly in the Bare Metal profile), but overall, I'm quite
pleased with the results of moving to a new profile.

For whatever version of Seamonkey that you're running, I suggest that
you might want to see what happens with Safe Mode or a new profile,
before trying to fight through anything that might be related to version
differences.

Smith
Arnie Goetchius
2016-02-24 13:14:59 UTC
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Post by Phil Fry
I haven't done this before, not sure what you wanted.
I selected seamonkey-2.41.en-US.win32.installer.exe
<https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/%7Eakalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-release-windows32/seamonkey-2.41.en-US.win32.installer.exe>,
downloaded it and ran it. I tried a few things and it seemed to work
fine. I had turned off all my add-ons, then added two back, so I did
not check SM 2.41 with all the add-ons I was using. I can do that if
that was your interest.
I see you thrashing around with trying to install 2.41, but I'm not convinced
that your problem is really related to versions.
=====snipped===
Personally, besides my normal working profile, I keep a separate profile that I
call "bare metal", where nearly everything in that profile is defaults. Thus, if
my regular profile isn't behaving, I can switch over to the Bare Metal profile,
to verify whether the problem is something that's generic to Seamonkey, or if
it's something in my profile. There might be one or two exceptions, but the only
time I can think of that the Bare Metal profile didn't work for me was years
ago, before the normal Seamonkey User Agent string was not set to spoof Firefox.
Same here. A "bare metal" profile is essential for de-bugging

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